Tomashevskiy Alexander ( birth 1851or 1852) and Grigoriy (his father)

[NataliaTom]

Dears,

My grand-grand father, Tomashevskiy Alexander Grigorievich, born 1851 or 1852, has completed his education on Kholms pedagogical courses in 1872. His father, Tomashevskiy Grigoriy (?-?) was "причетник" (Junior deacon?) at the moment of son's birth.
I am looking for the advise:
1) where tow right for the search of above courses' documents on acceptance/graduation to find records on grand-grand father (Tomashevskiy Alexander Grigorievich, born 1851 or 1852 )?
2) I have learnt that there was Junior Deacon school at the Kholms Kathedral Church (школа причетников при Холмском Кафедральном Соборе). Again, where to write for the search of that school graduate records, in the attempt to find records on grand-grand-grand father (Tomashevskiy Grigoriy (?-?))?

Appreciate your help
Kind regards
Natalia
(English/Russian/Polish - will google-translate:)

[Marcin Rybicki]

Here's the link to doccuments about this school http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/35/95/0/14#tabJednostki
In one of doccuments there was short info about Aleksander Tomaszewski/Tomashewskiy with his date of birth http://szukajwarchiwach.pl/35/95/0/14/1 ... uDr3H3leDg

[NataliaTom]

Dear Marcin, thanks a lot for the links!

[Marcin Rybicki]

Do you know where were your granddads from?

[NataliaTom]

No, I don't-that is what I am trying to find out. Alexander became a teacher and moved to Russia, he had a son, Nikolay, born in 1883, in Serpukhov, Moscow region, who is my grandad.
Alexander's working list (формулярный список) states, that he is diacon's son, and graduated from Cholms pedagogigal courses in 1872, after which his teaching career had started.

[Marcin Rybicki]

It means that he lived in Polish region.

[NataliaTom]

Most likely, however there might be a slight chance that he was sent to study to these courses from other regions?
Although family name sounds polish.

Added in 40 minutes 30 seconds:
By the way-looking at the record you kindly provided me with, I am wondering - Alexander born in 1851, became a deacon in 1868, being 17 years old. And then managed to complete these courses in 1872. Seems like fast career track:)

[Marcin Rybicki]

Please can you explain in what age the teenager started the deacon's school and how long it last.

[NataliaTom]

I have no idea.

[NataliaTom]

Marcin, in fact Alexander had been educated by private persons in Galicia, according to the record, not in the deacon's school.
In general I would think that deacon's school would last up to four years, but I do not know if such schools were only for initial church education or for initial general education as well.
As I've read on one of Russian forums, juniour deacon has to be literate (reading, writing and in church disciplines), however might not have formal education (ie special school).
Theoretically, his father, also a deacon, could have taught him all he needs to become juniour deacon.
So finding Alexander's records from CHolms pedagogigal courses (records of acceptance, would likely state his previous education, parents, occupation, etc.) would shed some light.

[Marcin Rybicki]

In that case your granddad came from Galicja. I specialize in Polish Kingdom/Congress Kingdom and I apologize but I can't help you.

[NataliaTom]

Dear Marcin, you have helped a lot, I have many records to study for deacon's school, hoping to find Grigory Tomaszewski, Alexander's father, or other details on Alexander. Thank you very very much. I still have a feeling that the origin of the name would be Polish.
It could be Galicja, or other place - the record also metntions BOZOK as his residence, then Kulik, then Mogilnitsy. I have found Bozok in Belorussia, but not in Poland. Kulik and Mogilnitsy are both in Lublin region. So Tomaszewski geography is rather wide.

[Marcin Rybicki]

Aleksander as deacon apart from studying in Chelm had to spend his life in parochies. In this record which I sent you in the first post is the parochy BEZEK-It's in Poland. BEZEK, KULIK AND MOGILNICA are the villages in Lublin region. But in the XIXth century there were under Russian control. Aleksander Tomaszewski came to study and to "work" from Galicja which was under Austrian control.

[NataliaTom]

So it's BEZEK, not Bozok, great, thanks again! All three villages are close to each other.
All these territories have very turbulent history - being conquered and divided all the time. Still I think his personal records from Chelm pedagogigal courses should contain parents, date and place of birth, etc., I will try to find it.
Initially I was hoping that due to last name I will find birth records in Tomashov:)

[Marcin Rybicki]

I cooperate with a very good site -lubgens.eu. This site has got almost 5 million records of births, weddings and deaths from Lublin region. Please check it. I searched Aleksander and Grigorij but I haven't found them.